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		<title>By: Erlinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erlinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tulip:  Once again, many thanks. I&#039;ve saved the links and will read them this weekend.

Ted: Ive heard of the &quot;electrical method&quot; you have described.  I have never seen it myself.  I suspect if the method has &quot;disappeared&quot;, it is because it is not as efficient as &quot;cyanide fishing&quot;. Terrible, huh?

Marketman:  Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tulip:  Once again, many thanks. I&#8217;ve saved the links and will read them this weekend.</p>
<p>Ted: Ive heard of the &#8220;electrical method&#8221; you have described.  I have never seen it myself.  I suspect if the method has &#8220;disappeared&#8221;, it is because it is not as efficient as &#8220;cyanide fishing&#8221;. Terrible, huh?</p>
<p>Marketman:  Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 21:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are other ways to temporarily immobilize fishes, when i was young i&#039;ve seen fishermen use electric current jutting out of two copper wires from motorcycle batteries they lug from their backs. Crude but effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are other ways to temporarily immobilize fishes, when i was young i&#8217;ve seen fishermen use electric current jutting out of two copper wires from motorcycle batteries they lug from their backs. Crude but effective.</p>
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		<title>By: tulip</title>
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		<dc:creator>tulip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erlinda, free form in chemistry meaning pure CN. Toxic cyanide form is a derivative of hydrogen cyanide that is the most common example is sodium cyanide.

To be honest Erlinda, I have stopped these sorts of projects/symposiums though I still do very limited engagements when I can&#039;t say no. In time, I will be back to the groove. There are few Filipino scientists that are exerting efforts for public awareness. Truth is the government nor private companies do not hire Bio researchers when in like in the US, they have a regional bio researchers/scientists who monitor the living condition of the environment.

I tried googling up about this matter but only got not so intensive explanations but at least might help you really understand what I have stated. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/phs8.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link 1&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/doctrine/army/mmcch/Cyanide.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link 2&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cyanidecode.org/cyanide_environmental.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link 3&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanide&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link 4&lt;/a&gt;.

US might not be allowing much use of chemically based &quot;potions&quot; for fishing in their localities but they have demands to import from Asia and the Caribbean where cyanide fishing though illegal is a common practice.That is the reason why fish pen owners have become &quot;wise&quot; in using this practice(very deceiving, just to make the fish calm/groggy in migration).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erlinda, free form in chemistry meaning pure CN. Toxic cyanide form is a derivative of hydrogen cyanide that is the most common example is sodium cyanide.</p>
<p>To be honest Erlinda, I have stopped these sorts of projects/symposiums though I still do very limited engagements when I can&#8217;t say no. In time, I will be back to the groove. There are few Filipino scientists that are exerting efforts for public awareness. Truth is the government nor private companies do not hire Bio researchers when in like in the US, they have a regional bio researchers/scientists who monitor the living condition of the environment.</p>
<p>I tried googling up about this matter but only got not so intensive explanations but at least might help you really understand what I have stated. <a href="http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/phs8.html" rel="nofollow">link 1</a>,<a href="http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/doctrine/army/mmcch/Cyanide.htm" rel="nofollow">link 2</a>,<a href="http://www.cyanidecode.org/cyanide_environmental.php" rel="nofollow">link 3</a>,<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanide" rel="nofollow">link 4</a>.</p>
<p>US might not be allowing much use of chemically based &#8220;potions&#8221; for fishing in their localities but they have demands to import from Asia and the Caribbean where cyanide fishing though illegal is a common practice.That is the reason why fish pen owners have become &#8220;wise&#8221; in using this practice(very deceiving, just to make the fish calm/groggy in migration).</p>
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		<title>By: Erlinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erlinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 14:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much Tulip for all the info.  I really appreciate your post. If you have a chance, please post a reference concerning the production of free cyanide by humans as I really would like to read about it just to review what I had learned before.  I am not still not quite convinced that cyanide in the human body can exist in &quot;free form&quot;.  I presume that by free form you mean in the form of cyanide as in sodium and potassuim cyanide?  Because in most other combined forms, cyanide may not be poisonous.

I realize that the cyanide used in fishing would be very diluted once ingested by the fish.  But the fish can ingest the poison, and if it dies, it won&#039;t be able to metabolize the poison.  Therefore, the poison could be concentrated in the liver, stomach, and perhaps the &quot;brain&quot; of the fish.  Anyone eating this kind of contaminated fish would be subject to a health hazard which could lead to serious consequences.  The poison may not be as pure as the one available in the lab, but if it wasn&#039;t metabolized, it could exist in the same form as when it was squirted in the water; i.e., poisonous. So anyone who suffers from nausea, dizziness, headches and diarrhea after eating fish should really see a doctor immediately.

I don&#039;t think there are many research studies concerning the immediate or long term effects of such kind of exposure in humans.  If you know of some, please post references.

I thought cyanide fishing has been outlawed in the Philippines. If so, then what is happening in Palawan is another example of  the authorities just keeping their eyes closed in exchange for some consideration.  

Of course, I understand that because of poverty in such coastal places, people resort to such methods.  Once again, the government has to offer the people a viable alternative in order to survive, such as a subsidy if they go back to net/line fishing. 

When I say that I have not heard of this kind of fishing in the West, I mean that the fish sold in the stores have not been caught by this cyanide method(in other third world-asian countries, it is probably practiced a lot too). The monitoring process in the West is pretty rigorous.  There will always be someone who will publicize such kind of unacceptable practices. People are so health conscious here that fish caught in the wild, such as salmon, cost much more than fish that have been raised in fish farms.

You are absolutely correct when you say that public awareness is the key, and I admire you a lot for what you are doing to increase this awareness.  But my I suggest that perhaps your attention should also include the media (radio and TV) because if there is a constant dissemination of information from them, the fishermen and the middlemen may eventually be forced t0 change.  Where I currently live, because of media publicity, people just refused to buy milk produced from cows that have been injected with hormones(to increase milk production). Guess what?  well, the milk now on sale is free from hormones.  Nowadays, the main concern is &quot;antibiotics&quot;.

I wish you success in your efforts.  Please don&#039;t give up.  The long term consequences of such fishing methods are so dire and negative for our country.  And we have not even touched about the effects of such cyanide fishing on coral reefs! 

Thanks for your patience and understanding, Marketman, for allowing me to carry on this dicussion in your blog. But to me who&#039;s trying very hard to live &quot;green&quot;, this struck quite a chord. &quot;Poisonous fishing&quot; means poisoned fish, poisoned water, and eventually, &quot;no fish&quot;.

To Dodi:  When you have time, please post any reference re: this pinoy scientist who can put fish to sleep.  Thanks very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much Tulip for all the info.  I really appreciate your post. If you have a chance, please post a reference concerning the production of free cyanide by humans as I really would like to read about it just to review what I had learned before.  I am not still not quite convinced that cyanide in the human body can exist in &#8220;free form&#8221;.  I presume that by free form you mean in the form of cyanide as in sodium and potassuim cyanide?  Because in most other combined forms, cyanide may not be poisonous.</p>
<p>I realize that the cyanide used in fishing would be very diluted once ingested by the fish.  But the fish can ingest the poison, and if it dies, it won&#8217;t be able to metabolize the poison.  Therefore, the poison could be concentrated in the liver, stomach, and perhaps the &#8220;brain&#8221; of the fish.  Anyone eating this kind of contaminated fish would be subject to a health hazard which could lead to serious consequences.  The poison may not be as pure as the one available in the lab, but if it wasn&#8217;t metabolized, it could exist in the same form as when it was squirted in the water; i.e., poisonous. So anyone who suffers from nausea, dizziness, headches and diarrhea after eating fish should really see a doctor immediately.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there are many research studies concerning the immediate or long term effects of such kind of exposure in humans.  If you know of some, please post references.</p>
<p>I thought cyanide fishing has been outlawed in the Philippines. If so, then what is happening in Palawan is another example of  the authorities just keeping their eyes closed in exchange for some consideration.  </p>
<p>Of course, I understand that because of poverty in such coastal places, people resort to such methods.  Once again, the government has to offer the people a viable alternative in order to survive, such as a subsidy if they go back to net/line fishing. </p>
<p>When I say that I have not heard of this kind of fishing in the West, I mean that the fish sold in the stores have not been caught by this cyanide method(in other third world-asian countries, it is probably practiced a lot too). The monitoring process in the West is pretty rigorous.  There will always be someone who will publicize such kind of unacceptable practices. People are so health conscious here that fish caught in the wild, such as salmon, cost much more than fish that have been raised in fish farms.</p>
<p>You are absolutely correct when you say that public awareness is the key, and I admire you a lot for what you are doing to increase this awareness.  But my I suggest that perhaps your attention should also include the media (radio and TV) because if there is a constant dissemination of information from them, the fishermen and the middlemen may eventually be forced t0 change.  Where I currently live, because of media publicity, people just refused to buy milk produced from cows that have been injected with hormones(to increase milk production). Guess what?  well, the milk now on sale is free from hormones.  Nowadays, the main concern is &#8220;antibiotics&#8221;.</p>
<p>I wish you success in your efforts.  Please don&#8217;t give up.  The long term consequences of such fishing methods are so dire and negative for our country.  And we have not even touched about the effects of such cyanide fishing on coral reefs! </p>
<p>Thanks for your patience and understanding, Marketman, for allowing me to carry on this dicussion in your blog. But to me who&#8217;s trying very hard to live &#8220;green&#8221;, this struck quite a chord. &#8220;Poisonous fishing&#8221; means poisoned fish, poisoned water, and eventually, &#8220;no fish&#8221;.</p>
<p>To Dodi:  When you have time, please post any reference re: this pinoy scientist who can put fish to sleep.  Thanks very much.</p>
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		<title>By: Dodi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dodi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 08:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HI!
I know of a Pinoy scientist who developed a technique which makes live fish (particularly tropical fish for aquariums) go to &quot;sleep&quot; for their flight and are made to &quot;wake up&quot; upon reaching their destination. I wonder if lapu-lapu ranchers can do it for their fish?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI!<br />
I know of a Pinoy scientist who developed a technique which makes live fish (particularly tropical fish for aquariums) go to &#8220;sleep&#8221; for their flight and are made to &#8220;wake up&#8221; upon reaching their destination. I wonder if lapu-lapu ranchers can do it for their fish?</p>
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