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		By: Marketman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 01:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[tercer, I &quot;lean&quot; towards Ms. Chua&#039;s views, but I certainly don&#039;t agree with all of them.  In our case, the teen was given a phenomenal choice of activities to participate in as a child/teen, and that choice led to things as broad as ballet for several years, flamenco to the point of public recitals, tennis, horseback riding until she flew off the horse and broke a collarbone, sewing classes, etc.  I think you can go too far, and offer too much choice, and at some point children have to be guided firmly to focus on one or two areas, even if it turns out later they decide to drop them.  As is usual in my family, we demand the best that we can do... and those high expectations are known and encouraged.  But we do not &quot;punish&quot; anything less.  Some children are easier to raise than others, I think, and in that department we have always considered ourselves intensely lucky to have a child who does seem to be motivated on her own and who can stand up to most challenges when faced with them.  However, I do agree with Ms. Chua that it is an intensely competitive world out there, and practice does make perfect.  So if you want to be a top chef, you not only need innate talent and creativity, but you need exposure to global food experiences and LOTS and LOTS of time in the kitchen.  As we look ahead to college admissions in the West, I realize that today is just simply SO MUCH MORE competitive than it was 25 years ago.  There are roughly the same number of spaces at say the top 25 (however we wish to define that) schools in the world, but perhaps 10x the number of applicants.  All of them probably would survive the curriculum if given a chance, but only 10% of them will get in.

It is perhaps telling that in recent conversations with the Teen, I have been heard to say things like:

&quot;Do whatever you want to do when you grow up, but do it exceedingly well.  Good things should follow after that.  But you MUST be able to fend for yourself once you reach adulthood.&quot;

to which she smartly observed and remarked...	

&quot;But Dad, that isn&#039;t what you did.  You worked your butt off to be totally financially independent (and saved heavily) and retired before 40, so that now you can do just about anything you want... that was backwards.&quot;

So who knows which route the Teen will choose? That, is completely up to her.

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On another note, I find kids do &quot;waste&quot; a phenomenal amount of time (a pet peeve of Ms. Chua) which could be spent on other activities.  Most notably, kids seem to be reading less, writing casual notes and formal papers less, conversing less, etc. If there is one thing I wish parents did more of, it was simply spend more time with their children, sit down to meals together often, discuss brainless things and weightier matters.  Ethics, logic, rational thinking does not have to be pedantic, but if you work them into everyday conversations your children should absorb some of it.  And I am with you in that I hope the Teen will eventually figure out she needs to give back to the community in which she was raised, that she is indeed a proud citizen of the country that is her home.

I have said it before and will say it again -- the smartest thing I ever did was retire from full-time work early so that I could be home a lot when the Teen was growing up.  Mrs. MM was also at home for most of that period as well.  The first decade or decade and a half passes so quickly, and now they are headed off onto their own adventures, hopefully armed with enough sense to find a reasonable path.  Just as we need to know how to guide, we need to know how to let go at the right time...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tercer, I &#8220;lean&#8221; towards Ms. Chua&#8217;s views, but I certainly don&#8217;t agree with all of them.  In our case, the teen was given a phenomenal choice of activities to participate in as a child/teen, and that choice led to things as broad as ballet for several years, flamenco to the point of public recitals, tennis, horseback riding until she flew off the horse and broke a collarbone, sewing classes, etc.  I think you can go too far, and offer too much choice, and at some point children have to be guided firmly to focus on one or two areas, even if it turns out later they decide to drop them.  As is usual in my family, we demand the best that we can do&#8230; and those high expectations are known and encouraged.  But we do not &#8220;punish&#8221; anything less.  Some children are easier to raise than others, I think, and in that department we have always considered ourselves intensely lucky to have a child who does seem to be motivated on her own and who can stand up to most challenges when faced with them.  However, I do agree with Ms. Chua that it is an intensely competitive world out there, and practice does make perfect.  So if you want to be a top chef, you not only need innate talent and creativity, but you need exposure to global food experiences and LOTS and LOTS of time in the kitchen.  As we look ahead to college admissions in the West, I realize that today is just simply SO MUCH MORE competitive than it was 25 years ago.  There are roughly the same number of spaces at say the top 25 (however we wish to define that) schools in the world, but perhaps 10x the number of applicants.  All of them probably would survive the curriculum if given a chance, but only 10% of them will get in.</p>
<p>It is perhaps telling that in recent conversations with the Teen, I have been heard to say things like:</p>
<p>&#8220;Do whatever you want to do when you grow up, but do it exceedingly well.  Good things should follow after that.  But you MUST be able to fend for yourself once you reach adulthood.&#8221;</p>
<p>to which she smartly observed and remarked&#8230;	</p>
<p>&#8220;But Dad, that isn&#8217;t what you did.  You worked your butt off to be totally financially independent (and saved heavily) and retired before 40, so that now you can do just about anything you want&#8230; that was backwards.&#8221;</p>
<p>So who knows which route the Teen will choose? That, is completely up to her.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>On another note, I find kids do &#8220;waste&#8221; a phenomenal amount of time (a pet peeve of Ms. Chua) which could be spent on other activities.  Most notably, kids seem to be reading less, writing casual notes and formal papers less, conversing less, etc. If there is one thing I wish parents did more of, it was simply spend more time with their children, sit down to meals together often, discuss brainless things and weightier matters.  Ethics, logic, rational thinking does not have to be pedantic, but if you work them into everyday conversations your children should absorb some of it.  And I am with you in that I hope the Teen will eventually figure out she needs to give back to the community in which she was raised, that she is indeed a proud citizen of the country that is her home.</p>
<p>I have said it before and will say it again &#8212; the smartest thing I ever did was retire from full-time work early so that I could be home a lot when the Teen was growing up.  Mrs. MM was also at home for most of that period as well.  The first decade or decade and a half passes so quickly, and now they are headed off onto their own adventures, hopefully armed with enough sense to find a reasonable path.  Just as we need to know how to guide, we need to know how to let go at the right time&#8230;</p>
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		By: tercer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 02:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Betchay, I agree with your allusion to Filipinosâ€™ general decline in our pursuit of excellence.  After noting earlier that there are still many questionnaires that fail to include Filipinos in the listed ethnicities, I began to ponder the question â€“ why still not?  I also recall the episode when Mr Bourdain asked more than once why pinoy cuisine is still not accorded the same recognition as say Thai or Vietnamese cuisine.  After all, Filipino chefs are acclaimed in the highest social circles, and weâ€™ve certainly had more than enough head start in exporting our culture and cuisine to the rest of the world than these other nations.  We should remember that at a time when the King in Spain counted his domain the greatest in the world, we were the primary nexus of one of the most lucrative and important trade routes of the civilized world â€“ the Manila-Mexico galleon route.  And in this time when Madridâ€™s influence was considerable, there lived a community of Filipino â€œilustradosâ€ who we can probably guess brought their mestizo and indio culture and cuisine with them, to inflict on those hapless peninsulares.  Then at the beginning of the 20th century the Philippine capital became practically a household name because of an accident of nature â€“ abaca or more commonly known as manila hemp from which almost all things manila i.e. rope, folder, envelope, etc. sprung forth, grows only in Las Islas Filipinas.  For several decades we had a stranglehold on the worldâ€™s rope market (pun intended) â€¦ then nylon happened.  Good or ill, for many years we as a nation and people were in the consciousness of the likes of Andrew Carnegie and Samuel Clemens, and the American public.

Are we so lost and unremarkable a people that even now that Filipinos are counted as the second largest Asian ethnic group in the US, we are yet unworthy of even a mere tick on a simple questionnaire, whereas White Hispanic and Pacific Islanders do?  Really?

I donâ€™t really expect an answer, but perhaps a little introspection is good for our collective soul.  Success for purely materialistic gain is unpalatable to me.  Better to succeed first in building strength of character and moral well being, and thence responsibly create wealth and surplus for ourselves and our community.  Would we really want the worldâ€™s fading recollections of us evoke only Imeldaâ€™s shoes, or over indulgence in karaoke?  I can only hope that future travelers to our land would find false one foreign visitorâ€™s published observation of Filipinosâ€™ character as being â€œhelpful but taintedâ€ with the barely concealed lust of financial gain.

I do my best to instill in my kids not only the drive to excel but to couple with it a sense of noble purpose.  After all, what is at stake is nothing less than the legacy of our nation and our people.

Thank you MM for your blog, and your forbearance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Betchay, I agree with your allusion to Filipinosâ€™ general decline in our pursuit of excellence.  After noting earlier that there are still many questionnaires that fail to include Filipinos in the listed ethnicities, I began to ponder the question â€“ why still not?  I also recall the episode when Mr Bourdain asked more than once why pinoy cuisine is still not accorded the same recognition as say Thai or Vietnamese cuisine.  After all, Filipino chefs are acclaimed in the highest social circles, and weâ€™ve certainly had more than enough head start in exporting our culture and cuisine to the rest of the world than these other nations.  We should remember that at a time when the King in Spain counted his domain the greatest in the world, we were the primary nexus of one of the most lucrative and important trade routes of the civilized world â€“ the Manila-Mexico galleon route.  And in this time when Madridâ€™s influence was considerable, there lived a community of Filipino â€œilustradosâ€ who we can probably guess brought their mestizo and indio culture and cuisine with them, to inflict on those hapless peninsulares.  Then at the beginning of the 20th century the Philippine capital became practically a household name because of an accident of nature â€“ abaca or more commonly known as manila hemp from which almost all things manila i.e. rope, folder, envelope, etc. sprung forth, grows only in Las Islas Filipinas.  For several decades we had a stranglehold on the worldâ€™s rope market (pun intended) â€¦ then nylon happened.  Good or ill, for many years we as a nation and people were in the consciousness of the likes of Andrew Carnegie and Samuel Clemens, and the American public.</p>
<p>Are we so lost and unremarkable a people that even now that Filipinos are counted as the second largest Asian ethnic group in the US, we are yet unworthy of even a mere tick on a simple questionnaire, whereas White Hispanic and Pacific Islanders do?  Really?</p>
<p>I donâ€™t really expect an answer, but perhaps a little introspection is good for our collective soul.  Success for purely materialistic gain is unpalatable to me.  Better to succeed first in building strength of character and moral well being, and thence responsibly create wealth and surplus for ourselves and our community.  Would we really want the worldâ€™s fading recollections of us evoke only Imeldaâ€™s shoes, or over indulgence in karaoke?  I can only hope that future travelers to our land would find false one foreign visitorâ€™s published observation of Filipinosâ€™ character as being â€œhelpful but taintedâ€ with the barely concealed lust of financial gain.</p>
<p>I do my best to instill in my kids not only the drive to excel but to couple with it a sense of noble purpose.  After all, what is at stake is nothing less than the legacy of our nation and our people.</p>
<p>Thank you MM for your blog, and your forbearance.</p>
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		By: Betchay		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 02:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tercer, I also believe in Amy Chua&#039;s view of guiding in bringing the best from your kids but not her strict tiger methods. I am more diplomatic. But Chua&#039;s ways, I think, is not purely Chinese rather, it emerges from being immigrants and CHINOYS. Remember that we Filipinos are also achievers but it is just so sad that lately our standards shifted from the high academics to something like what that recent study showed that the new breeds of FIL-AMs and pure Pinoys as well, are now excelling in&quot;Song and Dance&quot;.What happened? I guess it has to do with the economy---- fast and good money in the entertainment sector rather than the academics. :(]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tercer, I also believe in Amy Chua&#8217;s view of guiding in bringing the best from your kids but not her strict tiger methods. I am more diplomatic. But Chua&#8217;s ways, I think, is not purely Chinese rather, it emerges from being immigrants and CHINOYS. Remember that we Filipinos are also achievers but it is just so sad that lately our standards shifted from the high academics to something like what that recent study showed that the new breeds of FIL-AMs and pure Pinoys as well, are now excelling in&#8221;Song and Dance&#8221;.What happened? I guess it has to do with the economy&#8212;- fast and good money in the entertainment sector rather than the academics. :(</p>
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		By: tercer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tercer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 21:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MM, indeed I am surprised that you would lean towards Amy Chua&#039;s camp (and no, I did not know for certain that her parents migrated from the Philippines).  It suprised me because in your posts that touches upon parenting, you came across more as a doting father, which does not mean you cannot be firm, rather than a Tiger Dad.  I just couldn&#039;t imagine you so ruthless and callous with your daughter, or any child for that matter.

Although I am sympathetic to Amy Chua&#039;s goal of bringing (wringing in her case) the best out of her children, her methods of doing so are appalling.  To borrow the old adage &quot;masahol pa que sa aso&quot;.  Does the end justify the means?  Certainly not in this case where other means are proven as effective if not more so.  I believe in encouraging our children to success, rather than belittling and shaming them when they fail.

And to Fried-Neurons&#039; comment, I&#039;m not so sure that the studies exclude Filipino children from the Asian group.  My kids go to different schools and where one school does not have the &quot;Filipino&quot; race in their student questionaire, the other school do.  When not included, I know many Filipinos simply check Asian or Pacific Islander.

&quot;Most upsetting was the description that â€œfilipinos just liked to sing karaokeâ€ or some such ...&quot; yes it would be alarming if true, and upsetting if false because it promotes an unflattering stereotype.  It can&#039;t be true can it?  If true, then odds should have been in our favor that Justin Bieber would come out of a population of 94 million (Philippines) rather than Canada with only 34 million.  Then again, maybe it&#039;s a good thing :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MM, indeed I am surprised that you would lean towards Amy Chua&#8217;s camp (and no, I did not know for certain that her parents migrated from the Philippines).  It suprised me because in your posts that touches upon parenting, you came across more as a doting father, which does not mean you cannot be firm, rather than a Tiger Dad.  I just couldn&#8217;t imagine you so ruthless and callous with your daughter, or any child for that matter.</p>
<p>Although I am sympathetic to Amy Chua&#8217;s goal of bringing (wringing in her case) the best out of her children, her methods of doing so are appalling.  To borrow the old adage &#8220;masahol pa que sa aso&#8221;.  Does the end justify the means?  Certainly not in this case where other means are proven as effective if not more so.  I believe in encouraging our children to success, rather than belittling and shaming them when they fail.</p>
<p>And to Fried-Neurons&#8217; comment, I&#8217;m not so sure that the studies exclude Filipino children from the Asian group.  My kids go to different schools and where one school does not have the &#8220;Filipino&#8221; race in their student questionaire, the other school do.  When not included, I know many Filipinos simply check Asian or Pacific Islander.</p>
<p>&#8220;Most upsetting was the description that â€œfilipinos just liked to sing karaokeâ€ or some such &#8230;&#8221; yes it would be alarming if true, and upsetting if false because it promotes an unflattering stereotype.  It can&#8217;t be true can it?  If true, then odds should have been in our favor that Justin Bieber would come out of a population of 94 million (Philippines) rather than Canada with only 34 million.  Then again, maybe it&#8217;s a good thing :-)</p>
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		By: janah		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 04:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I heart the salad....]]></description>
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		By: wisdom tooth		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 21:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[	I&#039;m just wondering if anyone has been in this website. It has a lot of articles about current and relevant issues and one issue was about Tiger Mom and her style of parenting. Hope you check it out. It is another point of view. Happy reading and Kung hei fat choy!!

https://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/tiger_mother_and_her_critics_both_wrong/	]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>	I&#8217;m just wondering if anyone has been in this website. It has a lot of articles about current and relevant issues and one issue was about Tiger Mom and her style of parenting. Hope you check it out. It is another point of view. Happy reading and Kung hei fat choy!!</p>
<p><a href="https://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/tiger_mother_and_her_critics_both_wrong/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/tiger_mother_and_her_critics_both_wrong/</a>	</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 19:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I like the veggies -so fresh, light and delicious.]]></description>
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		By: MImi		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 15:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Happy Chinese New Year of the Rabbit! Health to you and family, MM! And health to all your readers too!]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 14:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[am wondering if I use turbo broiler will it have the same effect being juicy and all-?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>am wondering if I use turbo broiler will it have the same effect being juicy and all-?</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 05:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[finally the plump dressed chicken has served its second sentence]]></description>
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