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		By: corrine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[corrine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks bettyq! Now, I won&#039;t feel guilty about using ordinary flour.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks bettyq! Now, I won&#8217;t feel guilty about using ordinary flour.</p>
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		By: betty q.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[betty q.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Corrine...the reason those kind of flours are available is mainly for people who cannot tolerate the gluten found in wheat. Some people have absorption problems in their gut that if they ingest gluten , their body reacts. ..it is called celiac disease or syndrome. it is not so much an allergy but more of absorption problems. Am I right on the money, Doc C. and San?

As bemarvin have said...gluten is the building block. If yoou sub it with rice flour for instance, you will not have the proper structure of a baked product that identifies that particular product. I can see it being used in cookies if you want healthy cookies!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corrine&#8230;the reason those kind of flours are available is mainly for people who cannot tolerate the gluten found in wheat. Some people have absorption problems in their gut that if they ingest gluten , their body reacts. ..it is called celiac disease or syndrome. it is not so much an allergy but more of absorption problems. Am I right on the money, Doc C. and San?</p>
<p>As bemarvin have said&#8230;gluten is the building block. If yoou sub it with rice flour for instance, you will not have the proper structure of a baked product that identifies that particular product. I can see it being used in cookies if you want healthy cookies!</p>
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		By: corrine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[corrine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks Angela and bemarvin for the info. bemarvin, are you based in Manila? You can be a good cook or baker with your knowledge of science. That could be a different kind of restaurant you can put up. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Angela and bemarvin for the info. bemarvin, are you based in Manila? You can be a good cook or baker with your knowledge of science. That could be a different kind of restaurant you can put up. :)</p>
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		By: Angela		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Angela]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bemarvin, here&#039;s my email addy: masmoral@hotmail.com

You can email me your addy there if you are not comfortable leaving it on this site.

Thanks!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bemarvin, here&#8217;s my email addy: <a href="mailto:masmoral@hotmail.com">masmoral@hotmail.com</a></p>
<p>You can email me your addy there if you are not comfortable leaving it on this site.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		By: Angela		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Angela]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi, Corrine.  I&#039;ve had luck finding those flours at health food stores.  They&#039;re good but expensive! I have a really good recipe for Rhubarb Brown Butter Almond cake (stored away somewhere).  Let me know if you&#039;d like it; I&#039;m happy to email it to you. (It&#039;s actually the recipe of a cake served at a dinner that Bill Gates hosted--it was featured in our local paper)

BTW, I LOVE Beatrice&#039;s website.  She takes beautiful pictures! I&#039;ve been visiting her site for about 8 months.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Corrine.  I&#8217;ve had luck finding those flours at health food stores.  They&#8217;re good but expensive! I have a really good recipe for Rhubarb Brown Butter Almond cake (stored away somewhere).  Let me know if you&#8217;d like it; I&#8217;m happy to email it to you. (It&#8217;s actually the recipe of a cake served at a dinner that Bill Gates hosted&#8211;it was featured in our local paper)</p>
<p>BTW, I LOVE Beatrice&#8217;s website.  She takes beautiful pictures! I&#8217;ve been visiting her site for about 8 months.</p>
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		By: bemarvin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bemarvin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 04:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Angela, appreciate the confidence but I am nobody as recipe development person (the MM community has great ones among them); I am more an ingredients and processing guy. If you do need help in these two latter areas, I do not mind to assist; we do need to find a way to exchange email details. 

Hi Corrine, Calumet is a great easy-to-use product for home baking. When you have the right dosage for the type of cake (for example, pound cake should be different from sponge though the knowledgeable will go scratch through the stronger soda-acid way), the most impact on volume will come from mixing time and technique.  In fact, you can compensate to some extent for weak ingredients with right mixing. The best way to learn this is to let an expert show you and then practice &#039;til you have a feel for when mixing is done rather than to just follow the time given in the recipe. 

Gluten is a protein so - unless you have a specific allergy to it - It ought not to be unhealthy to eat it. Its function in bread is to provide the balloon-like cells which gas from yeast fermentation blow up to provide &#039;alsa&#039;.  It also has a role in the characteristic bite and chewability of bread.  So taking it out is a beast of a problem.  We have tried to replace the gluten function with different combinations of modified starch and gum while boosting gas production from yeast with baking powder but still got a loaf that is closer to &#039;puto&#039; than bread. Still a lot of work to do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Angela, appreciate the confidence but I am nobody as recipe development person (the MM community has great ones among them); I am more an ingredients and processing guy. If you do need help in these two latter areas, I do not mind to assist; we do need to find a way to exchange email details. </p>
<p>Hi Corrine, Calumet is a great easy-to-use product for home baking. When you have the right dosage for the type of cake (for example, pound cake should be different from sponge though the knowledgeable will go scratch through the stronger soda-acid way), the most impact on volume will come from mixing time and technique.  In fact, you can compensate to some extent for weak ingredients with right mixing. The best way to learn this is to let an expert show you and then practice &#8217;til you have a feel for when mixing is done rather than to just follow the time given in the recipe. </p>
<p>Gluten is a protein so &#8211; unless you have a specific allergy to it &#8211; It ought not to be unhealthy to eat it. Its function in bread is to provide the balloon-like cells which gas from yeast fermentation blow up to provide &#8216;alsa&#8217;.  It also has a role in the characteristic bite and chewability of bread.  So taking it out is a beast of a problem.  We have tried to replace the gluten function with different combinations of modified starch and gum while boosting gas production from yeast with baking powder but still got a loaf that is closer to &#8216;puto&#8217; than bread. Still a lot of work to do.</p>
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		By: corrine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[corrine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 00:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[bemarvin, that is very interesting! True, we grew up on Calumet. This is the only brand I see in Manila. I really hope we have more choices that are of good quality. So, would you say that baking powder would make the cake more fluffy than baking soda? I seem to remember some recipes calling for both. I also hope that yeast can be more available in small packets because I can&#039;t finish the big one being a home baker. It dies  (even if I put it in air tight container in the fridge) so it comes out expensive.


Is anybody familiar with the flour that Bea of Latartinegourmande uses? Amaranth, quinoa, almond flour. They sound more healthy because they are gluten free?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bemarvin, that is very interesting! True, we grew up on Calumet. This is the only brand I see in Manila. I really hope we have more choices that are of good quality. So, would you say that baking powder would make the cake more fluffy than baking soda? I seem to remember some recipes calling for both. I also hope that yeast can be more available in small packets because I can&#8217;t finish the big one being a home baker. It dies  (even if I put it in air tight container in the fridge) so it comes out expensive.</p>
<p>Is anybody familiar with the flour that Bea of Latartinegourmande uses? Amaranth, quinoa, almond flour. They sound more healthy because they are gluten free?</p>
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		By: Angela		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Angela]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[bemarvin, there&#039;s a lemon cake recipe I have been tinkering with and need some advice.  I don&#039;t think this is the forum to ask, so do you mind if I email you?  We can use this site, too, as long as it is okay with MM.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bemarvin, there&#8217;s a lemon cake recipe I have been tinkering with and need some advice.  I don&#8217;t think this is the forum to ask, so do you mind if I email you?  We can use this site, too, as long as it is okay with MM.</p>
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		By: bemarvin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bemarvin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Angela, this is a complicated story which I personally believe is just the usual trade wars between European and American food standards and businesses being fought, by proxy, in the our side of the world.

At the bottom, SAS or Sodium Aluminum Sulfate is banned in Europe because the authorities there suspect that the residual aluminum out of the leavening reaction may, I repeat may, lead to complications towards Alzheimer&#039;s disease. Note, the leavening reaction is:

 baking soda + SAS -&#062; 3carbon dioxide + aluminum hydroxide + 
                                2sodium sulfate

Obviously, the US FDA does not agree with this bad effect - at low dosage, etc. - and would have scientific studies to show such. The FDA allows the use of SAS in America with ingredient labeling. This approach is consistently American and democratic and are noticeable with other ingredients.  

The European food authorities, on the other hand, generally take a Big Brother approach, briefly, that if an ingredient that is added by human action to food with (1) even just a suspicion of detrimental effect, and (2) there is a feasible substitute (the pyrophosphates), then the Europeans will ban that suspicious substance. 

The safety record shows that both approaches are correct and are more determined by what their respective publics value.

I have a personal story to tell here.  About ten years ago, the Eqisa salesman from Texas (their biggest SAS mine is in Mexico) tried to sell me SAS on the strength that Calumet (and Kraft - a very reputable firm was using it). In the technical package was a data sheet telling that the health claim against aluminum is false. 

Fast forward around five years, Eqisa was bought by Budenheim, the giant German phosphate company producing SAPP, in effect getting control of the global chemical leavening market. Thereafter, the controversy stopped from resonating though the food standard, I believe still stands.

Anyway, I ended up using SAPP in development not because of the safety issue - I had the FDA behind me if I chose SAS - but because SAPP would have provided more flexibility (and cost savings) to my target industrial market. The cost itself was no issue at that time as it was pegged to the relative NV value.

Postscript: my strategy did not work to even dent the leader. Most of us grew up on Calumet and developed our recipes with it. And very few were willing to accept the switching cost of new research to make sure SAPP would not change taste (#!), etc. and affect their business.

MM, I apologize for the length and in adjacent world of industry. You and the rest have moved on and Angela did take time to ask a direct question. Tnx.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Angela, this is a complicated story which I personally believe is just the usual trade wars between European and American food standards and businesses being fought, by proxy, in the our side of the world.</p>
<p>At the bottom, SAS or Sodium Aluminum Sulfate is banned in Europe because the authorities there suspect that the residual aluminum out of the leavening reaction may, I repeat may, lead to complications towards Alzheimer&#8217;s disease. Note, the leavening reaction is:</p>
<p> baking soda + SAS -&gt; 3carbon dioxide + aluminum hydroxide +<br />
                                2sodium sulfate</p>
<p>Obviously, the US FDA does not agree with this bad effect &#8211; at low dosage, etc. &#8211; and would have scientific studies to show such. The FDA allows the use of SAS in America with ingredient labeling. This approach is consistently American and democratic and are noticeable with other ingredients.  </p>
<p>The European food authorities, on the other hand, generally take a Big Brother approach, briefly, that if an ingredient that is added by human action to food with (1) even just a suspicion of detrimental effect, and (2) there is a feasible substitute (the pyrophosphates), then the Europeans will ban that suspicious substance. </p>
<p>The safety record shows that both approaches are correct and are more determined by what their respective publics value.</p>
<p>I have a personal story to tell here.  About ten years ago, the Eqisa salesman from Texas (their biggest SAS mine is in Mexico) tried to sell me SAS on the strength that Calumet (and Kraft &#8211; a very reputable firm was using it). In the technical package was a data sheet telling that the health claim against aluminum is false. </p>
<p>Fast forward around five years, Eqisa was bought by Budenheim, the giant German phosphate company producing SAPP, in effect getting control of the global chemical leavening market. Thereafter, the controversy stopped from resonating though the food standard, I believe still stands.</p>
<p>Anyway, I ended up using SAPP in development not because of the safety issue &#8211; I had the FDA behind me if I chose SAS &#8211; but because SAPP would have provided more flexibility (and cost savings) to my target industrial market. The cost itself was no issue at that time as it was pegged to the relative NV value.</p>
<p>Postscript: my strategy did not work to even dent the leader. Most of us grew up on Calumet and developed our recipes with it. And very few were willing to accept the switching cost of new research to make sure SAPP would not change taste (#!), etc. and affect their business.</p>
<p>MM, I apologize for the length and in adjacent world of industry. You and the rest have moved on and Angela did take time to ask a direct question. Tnx.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Angela]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[bemarvin, why is SAS banned in Europe?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bemarvin, why is SAS banned in Europe?</p>
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