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		By: emsy		</title>
		<link>https://www.marketmanila.com/archives/grilled-milk-fed-veal-chops#comment-223375</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[		reading this whole thing is making me feel like a cold blooded, meat eating human. I only really have one boundary in meat, and it&#039;s pretty simple, too. I will not eat endangered species and their eggs...offspring...whatever. the only rationale is, if they cannot reproduce quick enough to supply the demand, then it only means that those animals should not be eaten.  why eat meat from something that produces one offspring every year or every other year?

everything else, I treat as food. And I never feel great guilt over eating, cooking and slauthering what used to be living things. If I ever buy &quot;ethically slaughtered&quot; or free range, organic produce and meat, it&#039;s because either they taste better or they&#039;re healthier (lesser fat or little to no preservatives and without antibiotics).

I think of it as a cycle of life (enter Lion King soundtrack). Yes, I eat meat and seafood but later on when I&#039;m pushing up daisies and wild grass, I will eventually be eaten by the same things I ate.		]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>		reading this whole thing is making me feel like a cold blooded, meat eating human. I only really have one boundary in meat, and it&#8217;s pretty simple, too. I will not eat endangered species and their eggs&#8230;offspring&#8230;whatever. the only rationale is, if they cannot reproduce quick enough to supply the demand, then it only means that those animals should not be eaten.  why eat meat from something that produces one offspring every year or every other year?</p>
<p>everything else, I treat as food. And I never feel great guilt over eating, cooking and slauthering what used to be living things. If I ever buy &#8220;ethically slaughtered&#8221; or free range, organic produce and meat, it&#8217;s because either they taste better or they&#8217;re healthier (lesser fat or little to no preservatives and without antibiotics).</p>
<p>I think of it as a cycle of life (enter Lion King soundtrack). Yes, I eat meat and seafood but later on when I&#8217;m pushing up daisies and wild grass, I will eventually be eaten by the same things I ate.		</p>
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		By: John		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To my HUMANE hunter friend.
When you hunt a cow who has a newborn weanling calf or a bird who has newly hatched chicks in the nest, Do you think that those little helpless babies will starve to death without their mother feeding them ? Where is your humane(ity) in this ?
My friend you are as humane as Al Gore is environmentalist.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To my HUMANE hunter friend.<br />
When you hunt a cow who has a newborn weanling calf or a bird who has newly hatched chicks in the nest, Do you think that those little helpless babies will starve to death without their mother feeding them ? Where is your humane(ity) in this ?<br />
My friend you are as humane as Al Gore is environmentalist.</p>
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		By: kurzhaar		</title>
		<link>https://www.marketmanila.com/archives/grilled-milk-fed-veal-chops#comment-119668</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kurzhaar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I stand corrected by a veterinarian friend in Sussex, who told me that you can with some effort still buy &quot;white&quot; veal in England (it takes some searching), but this is meat imported from the continent as its production is banned in the UK.  The UK&#039;s rules require more space per calf than in the rest of Europe, require feeding more forage (not just formula) and more iron, and ban tethering and slatted floors (uncomfortable for the animal).  The EU rules prohibiting certain veal producing practises were passed a couple of years ago but it seems it is up to each member country to implement them (and some are slower than the rest).  Also, humanely raised veal is getting a lot easier to find, you can buy it at the local Tesco or Marks &#038; Sparks nowadays.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand corrected by a veterinarian friend in Sussex, who told me that you can with some effort still buy &#8220;white&#8221; veal in England (it takes some searching), but this is meat imported from the continent as its production is banned in the UK.  The UK&#8217;s rules require more space per calf than in the rest of Europe, require feeding more forage (not just formula) and more iron, and ban tethering and slatted floors (uncomfortable for the animal).  The EU rules prohibiting certain veal producing practises were passed a couple of years ago but it seems it is up to each member country to implement them (and some are slower than the rest).  Also, humanely raised veal is getting a lot easier to find, you can buy it at the local Tesco or Marks &amp; Sparks nowadays.</p>
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		By: Marketman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi everyone.  I am not ignoring this thread, I have just been extremely busy with house guests, board meetings and the like.  I will have a separate post to address some of the issues raised. So hold on until I get to that post.  Meanwhile, I will have to polish off any remaining beluga caviar from Iran... post on THAT in a week or two. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone.  I am not ignoring this thread, I have just been extremely busy with house guests, board meetings and the like.  I will have a separate post to address some of the issues raised. So hold on until I get to that post.  Meanwhile, I will have to polish off any remaining beluga caviar from Iran&#8230; post on THAT in a week or two. :)</p>
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		By: Apicio		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Apicio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Market Manila as I gather from comments I have read over  its life has attracted an astonishingly sophisticated group of people with fairly diverse interests.   It has welcomed varied points of view and varying depths of thoughtfulness.  Any reader can indulge oneâ€™s taste and engage oneâ€™s interest to the precise level of his or her own desired participation.  As long as the comment appears not intent on offending or wounding, nobody is really compelled to read through any of it.  No need to be snide at all, just step around any annoying entry for heavenâ€™s sake and let the postâ€™s natural half-life (from initial posting to eventual archiving) deal with it and letâ€™s leave it to MM to lop off any abusive and unhinge comments that may require pruning.  It seems  to me as clear-cut as that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Market Manila as I gather from comments I have read over  its life has attracted an astonishingly sophisticated group of people with fairly diverse interests.   It has welcomed varied points of view and varying depths of thoughtfulness.  Any reader can indulge oneâ€™s taste and engage oneâ€™s interest to the precise level of his or her own desired participation.  As long as the comment appears not intent on offending or wounding, nobody is really compelled to read through any of it.  No need to be snide at all, just step around any annoying entry for heavenâ€™s sake and let the postâ€™s natural half-life (from initial posting to eventual archiving) deal with it and letâ€™s leave it to MM to lop off any abusive and unhinge comments that may require pruning.  It seems  to me as clear-cut as that.</p>
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		By: kurzhaar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cris T., I enjoy Marketman&#039;s blog immensely (it is one of the nicest food blogs of the many out there) and so I have no intentions of skipping it.  Blogs are a public forum and I don&#039;t see why a civilised discussion bothers you.

Marketman himself implied in his post that he did not know much about industrial (i. e., &quot;milk-fed&quot;) veal production.  The link he provided is to an industry FAQ page that provides descriptions that are...let&#039;s just say, VERY carefully worded in order to give a good impression.  I myself once ate milk-fed veal before I knew any better.

The reality is that &quot;milk-fed veal&quot; is meat from male calves individually confined in such a way that they can lie down but not turn around, which impedes muscle development and the normal formation of myoglobim (hence the very pale color of the meat).  Each calf is tethered (the industry web page claims, &quot;reducing the risk of calves harming themselves and each other&quot;) and therefore unable to turn around or even groom itself past its shoulder, much less play or exhibit any NORMAL calf social behaviour.  (Note that isolated/tethered veal production is already banned or in the process of being phased out as a legal requirement in EU countries, but not in the US...yet.  Female heifer calves are housed in group pens, free to move about and interact much more normally with each other.)  The veal calves are fed an artificial formula and routinely administered SUB-therapeutic levels of antibiotics, because these calves are NOT healthy.  The administration of sub-therapeutic levels of antibiotics is a practise that has led to antibiotic resistance in many parts of the world, and this is a practise now also banned in many countries.

If the &quot;milk-fed&quot; veal practises do not disturb the intelligent consumer, I&#039;m not sure what will.  One of the reasons for discussion groups like this is informational.  Similar &quot;awareness&quot; discussions are what helped the organic movement grow.  You can no longer buy white veal (milk-fed) in England, for example, because British law forbids the type of animal husbandry needed to produce white veal.  Pink veal is the acceptable alternative, but consumers must be educated about this for the market for pink veal to grow.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cris T., I enjoy Marketman&#8217;s blog immensely (it is one of the nicest food blogs of the many out there) and so I have no intentions of skipping it.  Blogs are a public forum and I don&#8217;t see why a civilised discussion bothers you.</p>
<p>Marketman himself implied in his post that he did not know much about industrial (i. e., &#8220;milk-fed&#8221;) veal production.  The link he provided is to an industry FAQ page that provides descriptions that are&#8230;let&#8217;s just say, VERY carefully worded in order to give a good impression.  I myself once ate milk-fed veal before I knew any better.</p>
<p>The reality is that &#8220;milk-fed veal&#8221; is meat from male calves individually confined in such a way that they can lie down but not turn around, which impedes muscle development and the normal formation of myoglobim (hence the very pale color of the meat).  Each calf is tethered (the industry web page claims, &#8220;reducing the risk of calves harming themselves and each other&#8221;) and therefore unable to turn around or even groom itself past its shoulder, much less play or exhibit any NORMAL calf social behaviour.  (Note that isolated/tethered veal production is already banned or in the process of being phased out as a legal requirement in EU countries, but not in the US&#8230;yet.  Female heifer calves are housed in group pens, free to move about and interact much more normally with each other.)  The veal calves are fed an artificial formula and routinely administered SUB-therapeutic levels of antibiotics, because these calves are NOT healthy.  The administration of sub-therapeutic levels of antibiotics is a practise that has led to antibiotic resistance in many parts of the world, and this is a practise now also banned in many countries.</p>
<p>If the &#8220;milk-fed&#8221; veal practises do not disturb the intelligent consumer, I&#8217;m not sure what will.  One of the reasons for discussion groups like this is informational.  Similar &#8220;awareness&#8221; discussions are what helped the organic movement grow.  You can no longer buy white veal (milk-fed) in England, for example, because British law forbids the type of animal husbandry needed to produce white veal.  Pink veal is the acceptable alternative, but consumers must be educated about this for the market for pink veal to grow.</p>
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		By: kurzhaar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good one, Apicio!  ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good one, Apicio!  ;)</p>
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		By: Cris T.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cris T.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[kurzhaar, sir, please get over it! This has been dragging for so long, let us just respect MM&#039;s blog. I believe he is not advocating that we buy veal (he often encourages that we buy organic and free range vegetables and livestock when possible), he simply is sharing his food adventures with people who would be interested. If this disturbs or rather, disgusts you that much then simply skip his blog.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kurzhaar, sir, please get over it! This has been dragging for so long, let us just respect MM&#8217;s blog. I believe he is not advocating that we buy veal (he often encourages that we buy organic and free range vegetables and livestock when possible), he simply is sharing his food adventures with people who would be interested. If this disturbs or rather, disgusts you that much then simply skip his blog.</p>
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		By: Apicio		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Apicio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes abstentious seems a tad extreme.  Abstemious will do us all good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes abstentious seems a tad extreme.  Abstemious will do us all good.</p>
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		By: kurzhaar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kurzhaar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with Joy, who wrote &quot;...a sort of â€˜Gee, Iâ€™d love to go for organic and humanely raised, but itâ€™s out of my control â€¦â€™...&quot;

Generally speaking, it is ENTIRELY within one&#039;s control (most certainly within the control of those posting on this blog) to choose what foods to spend their money on.  And I don&#039;t buy into the &quot;but humanely raised meat is more expensive&quot; excuse.  If the humanely raised meat cost, say, 50% again as much as the factory-farmed meat, well, it is an easy thing to choose to purchase LESS meat but meat that is of better quality.  Eat smaller portions or meat, or eat it less frequently, and appreciate what you have on your plate.

I&#039;m not advocating an abstentious lifestyle...good food has been my hobby for decades.  I enjoy cooking, and hosting small dinner parties and wine tastings.  The pleasure of eating good food, to me, includes an appreciation of what it took to grow/raise/catch that food, as well as its preparation and presentation.  Try getting a bit more personally involved on the grow/raise/catch aspect of putting a good meal on the table, and I think you can&#039;t help but feel the same way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Joy, who wrote &#8220;&#8230;a sort of â€˜Gee, Iâ€™d love to go for organic and humanely raised, but itâ€™s out of my control â€¦â€™&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Generally speaking, it is ENTIRELY within one&#8217;s control (most certainly within the control of those posting on this blog) to choose what foods to spend their money on.  And I don&#8217;t buy into the &#8220;but humanely raised meat is more expensive&#8221; excuse.  If the humanely raised meat cost, say, 50% again as much as the factory-farmed meat, well, it is an easy thing to choose to purchase LESS meat but meat that is of better quality.  Eat smaller portions or meat, or eat it less frequently, and appreciate what you have on your plate.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not advocating an abstentious lifestyle&#8230;good food has been my hobby for decades.  I enjoy cooking, and hosting small dinner parties and wine tastings.  The pleasure of eating good food, to me, includes an appreciation of what it took to grow/raise/catch that food, as well as its preparation and presentation.  Try getting a bit more personally involved on the grow/raise/catch aspect of putting a good meal on the table, and I think you can&#8217;t help but feel the same way.</p>
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