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		By: tulip		</title>
		<link>https://www.marketmanila.com/archives/sinigang-in-saveur#comment-21227</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 15:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[gonzo, just like I said earlier all I know is they had a hard time getting resources e.g. Philippine mangoes,coconut milk, spices, condiments et al. to Paris with the demand they are having. And I hardly know for sure since I only heard from my mom (who gets tidbits directly from Ms. Nora Daza then) when I was probably 10-12 years old during early 90s. I wasnt even born yet when it started in the 70s.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gonzo, just like I said earlier all I know is they had a hard time getting resources e.g. Philippine mangoes,coconut milk, spices, condiments et al. to Paris with the demand they are having. And I hardly know for sure since I only heard from my mom (who gets tidbits directly from Ms. Nora Daza then) when I was probably 10-12 years old during early 90s. I wasnt even born yet when it started in the 70s.</p>
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		By: gonzo		</title>
		<link>https://www.marketmanila.com/archives/sinigang-in-saveur#comment-21218</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[tulip,

That&#039;s very possible that sandy did the marketing and was the one supervising the restaurant.  It still doesn&#039;t make sense though.  If you are making money why would you close your business down? I will ask him about it if I bump into him at some point. It&#039;s possible that the restaurant got very good reviews from the food critics but still did not get enough regulars to sustain the business. As i said, the French are traditionalists by nature and Filipino food would be quite a stretch for them.   

Johnny i understand what you&#039;re saying, most people like to eat what they grew up with, but when most of us travel, we try the cuisine of the country we are visiting, like when we visit Japan, Italy, Spain, Singapore, Vietnam, the USA, do we look for adobo?  hindi naman di ba? we like to try their cooking too.  

The Italians are far less gastronomically adventurous than the average world traveller.  This is my point.  And they can get arrogant about it.  Da best daw sila e.  Of course there are open minded italians too, but listen to the average italian conversation about food when they are amongst themselves and they think noone is listening..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tulip,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s very possible that sandy did the marketing and was the one supervising the restaurant.  It still doesn&#8217;t make sense though.  If you are making money why would you close your business down? I will ask him about it if I bump into him at some point. It&#8217;s possible that the restaurant got very good reviews from the food critics but still did not get enough regulars to sustain the business. As i said, the French are traditionalists by nature and Filipino food would be quite a stretch for them.   </p>
<p>Johnny i understand what you&#8217;re saying, most people like to eat what they grew up with, but when most of us travel, we try the cuisine of the country we are visiting, like when we visit Japan, Italy, Spain, Singapore, Vietnam, the USA, do we look for adobo?  hindi naman di ba? we like to try their cooking too.  </p>
<p>The Italians are far less gastronomically adventurous than the average world traveller.  This is my point.  And they can get arrogant about it.  Da best daw sila e.  Of course there are open minded italians too, but listen to the average italian conversation about food when they are amongst themselves and they think noone is listening..</p>
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		By: Marketman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 23:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Myra, I did a write-up on Amy Besa and Romy Dorotan&#039;s book a few weeks ago...it&#039;s in the archives.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Myra, I did a write-up on Amy Besa and Romy Dorotan&#8217;s book a few weeks ago&#8230;it&#8217;s in the archives.</p>
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		By: tulip		</title>
		<link>https://www.marketmanila.com/archives/sinigang-in-saveur#comment-21098</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 17:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[gonzo, my mom and Nora Daza are friends. And Sandy is the one supervising the restaurant then, he does the marketing and all I believe. My mom told me before that indeed the restaurant was doing well but they were having a hard time with resources/produces etc. It was even one of the top restaurants there ata as far as I can remember. I was too young then, donâ€™t really know extensively. Last time I heard Sandy is in Canada.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gonzo, my mom and Nora Daza are friends. And Sandy is the one supervising the restaurant then, he does the marketing and all I believe. My mom told me before that indeed the restaurant was doing well but they were having a hard time with resources/produces etc. It was even one of the top restaurants there ata as far as I can remember. I was too young then, donâ€™t really know extensively. Last time I heard Sandy is in Canada.</p>
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		By: Johnny		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 15:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gonzo, I do not think you can say for sure that the Italians who wanted only their cuisine (based on what you said) are mayabang. Narrow-minded, perhaps, but I think it has to do with just the food you were used to and how one can be less adventurous/curious.  I don&#039;t blame them as some Filipinos I know only eat Filipino food and don&#039;t even want to try other type of cooking.  I hesitated before about eating salads (not the macaroni salad that we know! but the leafy grean salads) but now I&#039;m used to it and even eating just sandwiches and sometimes no rice to go with meat or a dish.  But there comes a time when I&#039;m really longing for sisig or adobo or simple Filipino dishes. It could just be personal choice due to one&#039;s upbringing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gonzo, I do not think you can say for sure that the Italians who wanted only their cuisine (based on what you said) are mayabang. Narrow-minded, perhaps, but I think it has to do with just the food you were used to and how one can be less adventurous/curious.  I don&#8217;t blame them as some Filipinos I know only eat Filipino food and don&#8217;t even want to try other type of cooking.  I hesitated before about eating salads (not the macaroni salad that we know! but the leafy grean salads) but now I&#8217;m used to it and even eating just sandwiches and sometimes no rice to go with meat or a dish.  But there comes a time when I&#8217;m really longing for sisig or adobo or simple Filipino dishes. It could just be personal choice due to one&#8217;s upbringing.</p>
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		By: Myra P.		</title>
		<link>https://www.marketmanila.com/archives/sinigang-in-saveur#comment-21086</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 15:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey fellow foodies, the writeup about Adobo (vinegar stew) in Saveur Mag came out in the Oct. 05 issue, complete with a recipe for &quot;Adobong Baboy&quot; :) Plus, another short writeup on Asian salsa (chopped tomatoes, red onions, cilantro, bagoong) in the Kitchen section,same issue. There is a special mention of Pufina patis and Kamayan shrimp paste in The Pantry section.

Like MM, I had previously written to them (maybe twice), offering to host/guide/initiate any food writer they may want to send to the Philippines. I have such faith in Filipino cuisine! And of course, just like MM, i recieved no response. SO, when i saw that adobo article months later, i thought, hey, maybe things are changing! It was written by a lady named Amy Besa. Alas, it has taken over a year for another pinoy dish to make it to the pages of Saveur... :( I guess we should be happy, but really, i wish there was a real way we could introduce Pinoy food on a more global scale. 

Btw, i totally agree with Tulip about tweaking and presentation... Ive done it many times, and gotten rave results from non-pinoy foodies. The first thing anyone can do to make our food more globally acceptable is to not overcook our veggies! Nothing turns people off more than gray, mushy overdone gulay :( Plus, it&#039;s healthier too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey fellow foodies, the writeup about Adobo (vinegar stew) in Saveur Mag came out in the Oct. 05 issue, complete with a recipe for &#8220;Adobong Baboy&#8221; :) Plus, another short writeup on Asian salsa (chopped tomatoes, red onions, cilantro, bagoong) in the Kitchen section,same issue. There is a special mention of Pufina patis and Kamayan shrimp paste in The Pantry section.</p>
<p>Like MM, I had previously written to them (maybe twice), offering to host/guide/initiate any food writer they may want to send to the Philippines. I have such faith in Filipino cuisine! And of course, just like MM, i recieved no response. SO, when i saw that adobo article months later, i thought, hey, maybe things are changing! It was written by a lady named Amy Besa. Alas, it has taken over a year for another pinoy dish to make it to the pages of Saveur&#8230; :( I guess we should be happy, but really, i wish there was a real way we could introduce Pinoy food on a more global scale. </p>
<p>Btw, i totally agree with Tulip about tweaking and presentation&#8230; Ive done it many times, and gotten rave results from non-pinoy foodies. The first thing anyone can do to make our food more globally acceptable is to not overcook our veggies! Nothing turns people off more than gray, mushy overdone gulay :( Plus, it&#8217;s healthier too.</p>
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		By: gonzo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes i remember Aux Iles Philippines.  Was owned by Nora Daza. A couple of the kids are friends of mine (Sandy and Stella).  In fact Stella and her husband Jay were working there when i tried it out. 

It was an attempt at stylised pinoy cuisine.  i liked it but i think Europeans looked at it more as a novelty restaurant, i.e. good to try once to show one&#039;s culinary adventurousness but not to use as a regular haunt as the food was too &#039;exotic&#039;.  

I still remember the comment a French girl (typical Parisian type) at our table said when she tried the ube ice cream: &quot;doesn&#039;t taste how it looks.&quot; then made a face.  That&#039;s when i thought-- uh oh, this restaurant might be in for a bit of trouble.  But Tulip, you say they were doing well?  They wouldn&#039;t have closed it if they were.  i know Jay really wanted to make a go of living abroad.  Have not been in touch with the Dazas unfortunately (i think sandy is in vancouver or something) but it would be interesting to hear about their experiences, trials and tribulations operating a Philippine restaurant in one of the major food cities of the world.   

Sayang, really.

French gastronomy i think is all about tradition (they have one of the oldest established cuisines and are rightly proud of it), so it really would be hard to break in a new cuisine even in a big city like Paris, as opposed to, say, London, where after years of poor restaurant choices, there has been an explosion in the food scene over the last ten or so years, to the point where they are now open to virtually any new foods. 

(btw, i think the Italians are even worse; they&#039;re so into their own cuisine that even when they travel to other countries they tend to eschew the local restaurants and look for italian-owned places because, &quot;we have the best cooking in the world, why try other cuisines?&quot; Narrow-minded and mayabang, i know, but i&#039;ve heard many italians express this sentiment.) 

But i agree with the tweaking idea.  We just have to find the right amount and style of tweak.  I&#039;m itching to give it a go, frankly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes i remember Aux Iles Philippines.  Was owned by Nora Daza. A couple of the kids are friends of mine (Sandy and Stella).  In fact Stella and her husband Jay were working there when i tried it out. </p>
<p>It was an attempt at stylised pinoy cuisine.  i liked it but i think Europeans looked at it more as a novelty restaurant, i.e. good to try once to show one&#8217;s culinary adventurousness but not to use as a regular haunt as the food was too &#8216;exotic&#8217;.  </p>
<p>I still remember the comment a French girl (typical Parisian type) at our table said when she tried the ube ice cream: &#8220;doesn&#8217;t taste how it looks.&#8221; then made a face.  That&#8217;s when i thought&#8211; uh oh, this restaurant might be in for a bit of trouble.  But Tulip, you say they were doing well?  They wouldn&#8217;t have closed it if they were.  i know Jay really wanted to make a go of living abroad.  Have not been in touch with the Dazas unfortunately (i think sandy is in vancouver or something) but it would be interesting to hear about their experiences, trials and tribulations operating a Philippine restaurant in one of the major food cities of the world.   </p>
<p>Sayang, really.</p>
<p>French gastronomy i think is all about tradition (they have one of the oldest established cuisines and are rightly proud of it), so it really would be hard to break in a new cuisine even in a big city like Paris, as opposed to, say, London, where after years of poor restaurant choices, there has been an explosion in the food scene over the last ten or so years, to the point where they are now open to virtually any new foods. </p>
<p>(btw, i think the Italians are even worse; they&#8217;re so into their own cuisine that even when they travel to other countries they tend to eschew the local restaurants and look for italian-owned places because, &#8220;we have the best cooking in the world, why try other cuisines?&#8221; Narrow-minded and mayabang, i know, but i&#8217;ve heard many italians express this sentiment.) </p>
<p>But i agree with the tweaking idea.  We just have to find the right amount and style of tweak.  I&#8217;m itching to give it a go, frankly.</p>
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		By: Marketman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 10:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think a lot of philippine food can be presented better, after all, we have a tremendous amount of grilled items, including salads, plus lots of ingredients that could be visually interesting...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a lot of philippine food can be presented better, after all, we have a tremendous amount of grilled items, including salads, plus lots of ingredients that could be visually interesting&#8230;</p>
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		By: tulip		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 08:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[aridelros, it can be done. A french chef ( a friend of mine) once cooked for a Filipino themed dinner for friends (mostly foreign expats in the country) some barbecued chicken tails paired with his own kind of sauce as appetizers. Chicken adobo cooked with beer with a little thick sauce paired with mashed potatoes. There was even a kamote tops salad, a tweaked halo halo, leche flan and maja mais.And pureed mango as beverage, Batangas coffee and salabat etc. etc. And foreign friends liked it so much they actually request such theme for get-together dinners.
Like I said, a little tweak and innovation, it can be done.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aridelros, it can be done. A french chef ( a friend of mine) once cooked for a Filipino themed dinner for friends (mostly foreign expats in the country) some barbecued chicken tails paired with his own kind of sauce as appetizers. Chicken adobo cooked with beer with a little thick sauce paired with mashed potatoes. There was even a kamote tops salad, a tweaked halo halo, leche flan and maja mais.And pureed mango as beverage, Batangas coffee and salabat etc. etc. And foreign friends liked it so much they actually request such theme for get-together dinners.<br />
Like I said, a little tweak and innovation, it can be done.</p>
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		By: tulip		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 16:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remember there&#039;s this well received and quite upscale Aux Iles Philippines (?) restaurant years ago. It was quite good in presenting Filipino dishes, that they had equal Filipino and foreign patrons. I remember my mom had several copies of mags featuring it. And it was always my momâ€™s recommended place to visit in Paris among friends. It was really doing well in the business but has closed. Then a small restaurant, Chez Genia came which has since closed too. It was said that it didnâ€™t quite attract people.
 I guess the not so â€œpureâ€ Filipino cuisine hasnâ€™t been quite attractive. Many of our dishes are quite â€œhirapâ€ or almost alike with other countries. If only we can come up with quite innovative/ creative ideas in styling, presentation, tweaking and cooking Filipino dishes, we can probably hit the global market.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember there&#8217;s this well received and quite upscale Aux Iles Philippines (?) restaurant years ago. It was quite good in presenting Filipino dishes, that they had equal Filipino and foreign patrons. I remember my mom had several copies of mags featuring it. And it was always my momâ€™s recommended place to visit in Paris among friends. It was really doing well in the business but has closed. Then a small restaurant, Chez Genia came which has since closed too. It was said that it didnâ€™t quite attract people.<br />
 I guess the not so â€œpureâ€ Filipino cuisine hasnâ€™t been quite attractive. Many of our dishes are quite â€œhirapâ€ or almost alike with other countries. If only we can come up with quite innovative/ creative ideas in styling, presentation, tweaking and cooking Filipino dishes, we can probably hit the global market.</p>
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